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joshkayll
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Posted: February/09/2010 at 5:13am |
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And the last line is precisely why I don't want it lol
keep it simple and its easier to play and keeps you interested, some people may not want to delve into it to much I think |
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Otsego
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Posted: February/09/2010 at 9:07am |
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And therein lies the dilemma Josh. Do we as a collective group want this horse racing game to be realistic, or do we want it to be simplistic?
There are elements of realism that I certainly can do without. Incessant training, and trying to figure out the best combination of equipment were two items that drove me away in my brief attempt at Sim Racing. On the other hand, adhering to a realistic time schedule is something that will take little effort. Hopefully, if and when this is instituted, it will automatically calculate which races you can possibly attend and display them in the entry drop-down. Races you can't make will not appear. How easy is that? If your definition of "keeping it simple" is not even bothering to keep a basic schedule of your horses future races in mind, then I suppose travel-time and entry drop-down restrictions may cause an occasional problem. I think most stables, yourself included Josh, have at least a rudimentary racing schedule in mind. So I can't see how travel-time restrictions will cause people to have to delve any deeper into the schedule than they currently do. What you will see though, is the absence of the top horses in every single big-money race every single week, and that my friend, will be very refreshing indeed (in my opinion). |
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Posted: February/09/2010 at 9:47am |
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Agree with Ostego on this one. I can't really see how it is going to be any more time consuming. I would imagine that if some sort of shipping rule was instituted, we would all be made aware of the time restrictions that would be imposed.
I try and plan out my season in advance now, and if this were to be instituted, I may not be able to run my horse in say "The Cox Plate" one week, and then the "Toyota Blue Grass Stakes" three weeks later. If I know in advance that when travelling from Australia to the USA, my horse can't race for 1 month (or whatever the time rule is), then it is a no brainer, and wouldn't really impact my planning from a time perspective. |
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joshkayll
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Posted: February/10/2010 at 12:42am |
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Good points Jim, with that in mind yes it sounds ok but I still feel that the current system is very good.
And as a matter of fact I've only had one goal (say schedule) for a horse of mine this season and don't have any others I can think of :) |
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STEVEN
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Posted: February/10/2010 at 2:11am |
im not misunderstanding it at all amanda. i know it will not be impossible to meet up im saying it wont happen alot as i play this game to race horses not have them sitting in there stalls 25 out of the 50 race-weeks. im going to love to see how olmo will deal with this because it will make it quite a bit more time consuming i know i will have to scale back my racer's because i just wont have the time 2 plan out all them horses i have 25 racer's this season but that will increase by 16 next season and every season as i breed a minimum of 15 a season and was looking 2 breed 30+ next year as i will have 3 of my own stallions and will use 70% of there crop for myself. i have 70 stalls which will be way 2 many if this shipping comes in i just dont like the idea whatsoever. i think there are a whole range of things it will compact on that the people who are for this have missed. |
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Posted: February/10/2010 at 5:25am |
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I must stick with the Aussie boys on this. I see it as counter-productive discussing a possible change that will make little difference to how we are currently entering our horses. Why bring it in place anyway if it's not going to make a difference. I can think of other more important enhancements/improvements than this region/shipping fee business. I am all for change but this one is ridiculous and a time-waster but then again its not my game.
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Otsego
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Posted: February/10/2010 at 8:41am |
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I think you guys are vastly overestimating the negative impact of this suggestion, and for the life of me, I can't understand why anyone who is familiar with the realities of horseracing would be against it.
As I said, I think it would be a positive move for PF, but if it doesn't ever happen, I can live with that too. |
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1BLUEHORSE
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Posted: February/10/2010 at 2:52pm |
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Its not that difficult, how about if you want to race a horse in a different continent than the one it is in at the moment (where it last raced), then the horse must have a minimum of 28 days between its last race and the race that is in a different continent.
That way it would not mean missing out on the Aussie sprint series or the American or Canadian triple crown, it would just stop incessant globe hopping, you know Australia to North America to Europe to Japan, all within a month. |
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Posted: February/10/2010 at 3:54pm |
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Last time I checked it was a sim game. If it was realistic it would have a better race viewer (not Hrfan), training methods, equipment etc like a few Virtual Horse Racing sims out there. PF doesn't have all that and has its niche in simplicity and community. Some would rather not have the intricasies of training and yet would push or argue for realism.
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Otsego
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Posted: February/10/2010 at 5:34pm |
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I agree that simplicity has it's place Fin. So does realism. Why can't we have both?
I think we can. Simplicity where we need it (no training, no stable issues, no equipment worries, no vet concerns) and realism where we need it as well, like in this case for travel-time allowance.
I'm real tempted to follow DJ's lead and race my horses only in North America. That way, I can at least feel that I'm trying to run a realistic stable. Along those lines Laurie...any chance we can get another column added to the race schedule (and more importantly, the entry dropdown) right after the track name to list the continent? It would be easier then to pick the races in North America. I'm not totally familiar with all of the track names.
By the way...I have no problem with globe-hopping. I just want to see it done within reason travel-wise.
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Posted: February/10/2010 at 6:17pm |
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I could easily add the assigned Region numbers to the current races, sure. I can place a sticky post key on the Forum explaining what Regions are where, too.
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Weeping Moon
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Posted: February/10/2010 at 6:29pm |
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Jim, if you want, you can have my race schedule. Already have a NA column on mine.
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STEVEN
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Posted: February/11/2010 at 1:44am |
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so jim if out of your current crop of 2yr olds or next season you get a real super-star your telling me you will only race in the US? SO NO dubai juvi,golden slipper,blue diamond,magic millions? i cant see this happening. this is my last post here everyone knows how i feel and quite a few others are against it but it looks like it is going 2 happen without a proper vote like we have for other things. it will drive a wedge between players and i can only guess on this but will lose its appeal of uniqueness. why dont we go all out and have gear changes,training etc... i cant believe you say this globe-hopping thing is unrealistic in a fantasy game. if i remember right jim you have started several topics on getting horses born as ready to race 2yr olds or yearlings now that is very unrealistic. and im not picking a fight its just what i think which im entitled to as your entitled to your views. i really respect you both as a player and a person jim
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Posted: February/11/2010 at 2:01am |
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It's a done deal Steven, we wasted our energy even discussing about it. It's funny how this thread started with the suggestion of having a random entry deadline and have predominantly become a discussion about a futile issue.
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Otsego
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Posted: February/11/2010 at 8:42am |
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I have always been in favor of horses being born as ready to run 2yo's Steven. In my opinion, that is an area that we can suspend reality for the general good of the game. We could do that, I reasoned, because it doesn't affect racing. That is the key. It lets you enjoy the fruits of your breeding labor faster, but it doesn't have any other impact.
As far as this travel topic is concerned, I hope out difference of opinion doesn't "drive a wedge" as far as out personal relationships go. This is something that Laurie has been thinking about for quite some time. It's not something that I or anyone else has compelled her to consider. And, you ask what I would do if I got a superstar Steven? Would I hit the World Cup, the Golden Slipper, etc? Well, the answer is, yes. I think if you have a superstar, you owe it to the game to attend those races. As I said earlier, I have no problem with horses traveling the globe, as long as it's done realistically...because doing it unrealistically affects racing. |
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STEVEN
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Posted: February/11/2010 at 9:42am |
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oh well if thats the case finlay then the day its implemented is the day i hang up the reins and become just a breeder. i have enough stalls to do just that. so i wonder if its gunna happen is there going to be more TC'S in the australian and europe regions seen as there are only 1 apiece there but there are more then 5 in the north america's? i just cant believe its come to this so i guess it will make it pretty much impossible too win the 3yr old TC now. unlees your from the US. . i can remember not long ago us having a discussion about the need of more race's because of more stables playing and the amount of horses being bred and it was said that more couldnt be added cause of time limits wont making it regions make it longer to run races? or is it just that more race's added but spilt into different divisions. so the mob has spoken and finally got what they wanted. I WILL NOT BE A PART OF THAT once implented i will like i said be a breeder only. so what i want 2 know if i want 2 race in the region say 11 were does my horse stay? do i need to buy more stables in said region if im 2 race there? if this is going 2 be added i think that should be implemented as well u cant race in a region if you dont own stalls there thats more realistic isnt it?
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Posted: February/11/2010 at 9:48am |
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Steven, maybe if you had bothered to read anything I posted on this topic you would know the answers to your questions. It's obvious by your post that you didn't.
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STEVEN
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Posted: February/11/2010 at 9:48am |
yeah your right about that finlay it seems like it was signed sealed and now will be delivered without so much as a head count of the people who play this game except a chosen few which seems too happen on a regualar basis. it has been good though so what season will be the kick off for this? i hope 2-3 so i can at least run the 2 good 2yr olds i unearthed and maybe get another season of GLOBE HOPPING out of tony and get him higher on that top 25 list. |
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Posted: February/11/2010 at 9:50am |
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Yes, I'm implementing it tomorrow. *sarcasm*
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